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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kat: Sorry for not giving a more normal example. How about this example, which is taken from a page in the US Census website:

Top Ten Countries with which the U.S. Trades

I did a web search using &quot;which that you,&quot; because without &quot;you,&quot; you get a lot of hits that use &quot;that&quot; as a demonstrative instead of as a relative pronoun.

I think it&#039;s a good idea to search the Web for examples, but you&#039;ve got to account for the fact that lots of people make mistakes, esp. in English, which so many people speak as a second language.

It&#039;s best to limit your data to web sites that can reasonably be expected to be correct. Traditionally, publishers were considered to be authoratative, but lately a lot of newspapers have been very sloppy on their web sites. Try using &#039;.edu&#039; and ignoring pages that were written by students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kat: Sorry for not giving a more normal example. How about this example, which is taken from a page in the US Census website:</p>
<p>Top Ten Countries with which the U.S. Trades</p>
<p>I did a web search using &#8220;which that you,&#8221; because without &#8220;you,&#8221; you get a lot of hits that use &#8220;that&#8221; as a demonstrative instead of as a relative pronoun.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a good idea to search the Web for examples, but you&#8217;ve got to account for the fact that lots of people make mistakes, esp. in English, which so many people speak as a second language.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s best to limit your data to web sites that can reasonably be expected to be correct. Traditionally, publishers were considered to be authoratative, but lately a lot of newspapers have been very sloppy on their web sites. Try using &#8216;.edu&#8217; and ignoring pages that were written by students.</p>
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		<title>By: Sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I posted the same thing (kind of) twice. That&#039;s how desperate I am for the answer! (it was by mistake!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I posted the same thing (kind of) twice. That&#8217;s how desperate I am for the answer! (it was by mistake!)</p>
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		<title>By: Sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

&quot;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family that are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&quot;

At first, I was confused whether to use &quot;that&quot; or &quot;which&quot;. But, now that I think about it, they are both wrong: the usage of a relative pronoun is wrong in the first place. The problem is, I am not able to pinpoint the reason why the usage of a relative pronoun is wrong in this sentence. Could you please help me with this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>&#8220;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family that are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&#8221;</p>
<p>At first, I was confused whether to use &#8220;that&#8221; or &#8220;which&#8221;. But, now that I think about it, they are both wrong: the usage of a relative pronoun is wrong in the first place. The problem is, I am not able to pinpoint the reason why the usage of a relative pronoun is wrong in this sentence. Could you please help me with this?</p>
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		<title>By: Sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Could someone help me out with this sentence:

&quot;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family, which are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&quot;

&quot;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family that are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&quot;

First, I was confused whether I should use &quot;that&quot; or &quot;which.&quot; But now that I think about it, they are both wrong. I think the sentence must read &quot;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family, AND are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&quot;
Why is it that neither &quot;that&quot; nor &quot;which&quot; is correct in this sentence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Could someone help me out with this sentence:</p>
<p>&#8220;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family, which are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family that are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, I was confused whether I should use &#8220;that&#8221; or &#8220;which.&#8221; But now that I think about it, they are both wrong. I think the sentence must read &#8220;The moose and the wapiti are the largest members of the deer family, AND are found in North America, Europe, and Asia.&#8221;<br />
Why is it that neither &#8220;that&#8221; nor &#8220;which&#8221; is correct in this sentence?</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation. MS Word keeps correcting my whiches and I wasn&#039;t sure why. 

Though honestly it sounds to me like this is a question of context. To use the blue car example, if my audience knows that I only have one car, then &#039;my car that is blue&#039; is not exclusionary and means exactly the same thing as &#039;my car.&#039;  

I think I have been using &#039;which&#039; more often in clauses where I was describing some activity.  e.g., I prefer
 
&#039;the modal window which displays the instructions&#039;

to 

&#039;the modal window that displays the instructions&#039;

and even after reading this article and realizing why it&#039;s not technically correct....I still think it sounds better. So, where can I petition to get the grammar rules changed ?  :)

@Michael I don&#039;t think ordinary grammar rules apply to logic statements including equals signs. And, capitalization is not a spelling rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation. MS Word keeps correcting my whiches and I wasn&#8217;t sure why. </p>
<p>Though honestly it sounds to me like this is a question of context. To use the blue car example, if my audience knows that I only have one car, then &#8216;my car that is blue&#8217; is not exclusionary and means exactly the same thing as &#8216;my car.&#8217;  </p>
<p>I think I have been using &#8216;which&#8217; more often in clauses where I was describing some activity.  e.g., I prefer</p>
<p>&#8216;the modal window which displays the instructions&#8217;</p>
<p>to </p>
<p>&#8216;the modal window that displays the instructions&#8217;</p>
<p>and even after reading this article and realizing why it&#8217;s not technically correct&#8230;.I still think it sounds better. So, where can I petition to get the grammar rules changed ?  <img src='http://www.dailywritingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Michael I don&#8217;t think ordinary grammar rules apply to logic statements including equals signs. And, capitalization is not a spelling rule.</p>
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