Even, Yet, and Still

Until recently I thought that the pleonasm “even still” was to be found only in the uncertain writings of college freshmen. Then I read this in the current issue of my favorite writer’s magazine:

Traditionally published books get the nice displays, posters and extra attention from store managers. Even still, many of the titles end up in the bargain bin.

I did a Google search and found millions of examples of the wretched expression. It seems to be especially popular in the titles of songs, poems, and blogs. Here are some examples:

. …even still, I’d happily do it all over again.
…even still, Safari sucks.
Even still we lose our way
Is Anyone Even Still Blogging Anymore?

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I’ll try to explain why “even still” does not belong in careful writing.

As adverbs modifying comparatives, the words are virtually interchangeable:

She is even happier today than she was yesterday. She is still happier today than she was yesterday.
Fans want still more details of their favorite celebrities. Fans want even more details…

If the expression is intended to mean “still,” then “still” is enough:

Is anyone still blogging?

If it is intended to mean “yet,” then “yet” or one of its synonyms should serve: nevertheless, however, notwithstanding:

Nevertheless, I’d happily do it all over again.
Notwithstanding, Safari sucks.
Nevertheless, we lose our way.

That being said, sometimes the words even and still can come together correctly when the “even” is being used as an intensifier and the “still” is an adverb of time:

Do they even still make Zima?
Why Hilary is even still in the race….

Finally, here’s a dilly of a headline that I’ll leave to our readers to sort out:

Yet Even Still More U.S. Presidential Election Maps Already

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7 Responses to “Even, Yet, and Still”

  1. Charity on May 22nd, 2008 6:07 pm

    It looks like these are more examples of folks who are afraid to “let the word do the work,” huh?

  2. Dan on May 22nd, 2008 6:54 pm

    I’m an Obama supporter, but I hate when people call her “Hilary.” I dislike her as much as anyone, but Mrs. Clinton deserves both her ‘l’s.

  3. Maeve on May 22nd, 2008 10:00 pm

    Dan,
    I just copied the example as it was.

    You’re right, of course. Headline writers and bloggers might take the trouble to check out the candidates’ websites on the chance that they use nontraditional spellings–as does Hillary.

  4. Maeve on May 22nd, 2008 10:03 pm

    Charity,
    Yes, a tendency that seems to be growing. I think it’s a result of widespread cynicism and suspicion. Words, like people, are not to be trusted.

  5. Gary Porter on May 23rd, 2008 2:10 pm

    ‘Than what’ is another one that drives me crazy. ‘Than’ is perfectly adequate without the ‘what’ that often follows it. i.e. “The weather today is 15 degrees warmer than what it was yesterday.”
    Gary

  6. Khalid Gaffer Aziz on May 23rd, 2008 7:54 pm

    Dears,

    I a sudanese & working in telecomincation company.
    my english langauge is very bad.please put in your mind this thing & donot tell any one……….

  7. PreciseEdit on June 19th, 2008 5:39 pm

    “Even Yet” is an example of what we call adverbial pollution. In most cases one of these two words can be “filtered out,” and in other cases, they can be “synthesized” into one, better word.

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