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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Certified&#8221; and &#8220;Certificated&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would go for certified and qualified not certificated sounds like  qualificated or verificated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would go for certified and qualified not certificated sounds like  qualificated or verificated</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, interesting, and as I have often found before, confusing.  For 50 years now, I have worked with CFI&#039;s &quot;Certificated Flight Instructors&quot;, or alternatively, &quot;Certified Flight Instructors&quot;, and for 40 or more of those years there has been unresolved debate on the issue as to what the &quot;C&quot; really means.

In the US, anyone who wants to fly an aircraft must get a &quot;Pilot&#039;s License&quot; ... but there actually is no such thing ... after meeting requirements an applicant will be issued an &quot;Airman&#039;s Certificate&quot;.  

On that certificate, the issuing agency, the FAA, will also annotate the various &quot;Ratings&quot; that the airman holds.  These would indicate the type and category of aircraft s/he may pilot, and whether or not s/he may pilot aircraft for profit or in scheduled airline service.

Another &#039;Rating&#039; is one of several levels of &quot;Flight Instructor&quot;.

So, although the basic document is without doubt an operator&#039;s license, that terminology is almost never used legally or formally ... in &#039;the business&#039;, s/he is a &quot;certificated airman&quot; and if properly certified  is also an instructor of other airmen.  (in ordinary terms most certainly a teacher of flying skills) and is &quot;certified by his certificate to have the right to exercise the privileges as defined on his certificate&quot;.  Simple, no?

Little wonder the majority of people employed in this specialized area of teaching simple call themselves CFI&#039;s, and let others argue if the &quot;C&quot; is for &quot;certificated&quot; or &quot;certified&quot;.  

Our human capacity to obfuscate never ceases to amaze me.  To continue this argument much further might, indeed, lead to one becoming &quot;certifiable&quot;. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, interesting, and as I have often found before, confusing.  For 50 years now, I have worked with CFI&#8217;s &#8220;Certificated Flight Instructors&#8221;, or alternatively, &#8220;Certified Flight Instructors&#8221;, and for 40 or more of those years there has been unresolved debate on the issue as to what the &#8220;C&#8221; really means.</p>
<p>In the US, anyone who wants to fly an aircraft must get a &#8220;Pilot&#8217;s License&#8221; &#8230; but there actually is no such thing &#8230; after meeting requirements an applicant will be issued an &#8220;Airman&#8217;s Certificate&#8221;.  </p>
<p>On that certificate, the issuing agency, the FAA, will also annotate the various &#8220;Ratings&#8221; that the airman holds.  These would indicate the type and category of aircraft s/he may pilot, and whether or not s/he may pilot aircraft for profit or in scheduled airline service.</p>
<p>Another &#8216;Rating&#8217; is one of several levels of &#8220;Flight Instructor&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, although the basic document is without doubt an operator&#8217;s license, that terminology is almost never used legally or formally &#8230; in &#8216;the business&#8217;, s/he is a &#8220;certificated airman&#8221; and if properly certified  is also an instructor of other airmen.  (in ordinary terms most certainly a teacher of flying skills) and is &#8220;certified by his certificate to have the right to exercise the privileges as defined on his certificate&#8221;.  Simple, no?</p>
<p>Little wonder the majority of people employed in this specialized area of teaching simple call themselves CFI&#8217;s, and let others argue if the &#8220;C&#8221; is for &#8220;certificated&#8221; or &#8220;certified&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Our human capacity to obfuscate never ceases to amaze me.  To continue this argument much further might, indeed, lead to one becoming &#8220;certifiable&#8221;. <img src='http://www.dailywritingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certificated stock is stock for which a certificate has been issued.  (Unlike most stock in your brokerage account, which is uncertificated and exists only electronically in the records of the issuer and broker.) &quot;Certified stock&quot; isn&#039;t an expression that makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certificated stock is stock for which a certificate has been issued.  (Unlike most stock in your brokerage account, which is uncertificated and exists only electronically in the records of the issuer and broker.) &#8220;Certified stock&#8221; isn&#8217;t an expression that makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From a stylistic viewpoint, certificated and uncertificated are ugly words. (My spell-check flags uncertificated as erroneous.) They also smack of jargon. 

It’s one thing to talk about “certificated and uncertificated personnel” in stuffy administrative documents. After all, educators love Eduspeak: inflated, euphemistic words that obscure the facts beneath.&quot;

Yea, verily! Protecting educators and bureaucrats from their language follies is a never-ending task. 

Although you make the case for instances when &quot;certificated&quot; may be appropriate, I can&#039;t think of any instance when &quot;certified&quot; could not be used instead. After, a certificate exists only to certify a particular qualification or achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From a stylistic viewpoint, certificated and uncertificated are ugly words. (My spell-check flags uncertificated as erroneous.) They also smack of jargon. </p>
<p>It’s one thing to talk about “certificated and uncertificated personnel” in stuffy administrative documents. After all, educators love Eduspeak: inflated, euphemistic words that obscure the facts beneath.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yea, verily! Protecting educators and bureaucrats from their language follies is a never-ending task. </p>
<p>Although you make the case for instances when &#8220;certificated&#8221; may be appropriate, I can&#8217;t think of any instance when &#8220;certified&#8221; could not be used instead. After, a certificate exists only to certify a particular qualification or achievement.</p>
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