Comments on: 10 Rules for Writing Numbers and Numerals http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:28:21 -0500 hourly 1 By: lee http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/comment-page-3/#comment-242123 lee Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:47:12 +0000 http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/#comment-242123 When writing a given code with numbers and alphabet letters how can I differentiate the zero from the 'O'letter? which one has the line through it - the zero would I imagine. ! When writing a given code with numbers and alphabet letters how can I differentiate the zero from the ‘O’letter? which one has the line through it – the zero would I imagine. !

]]> By: Courtney http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/comment-page-3/#comment-239478 Courtney Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:54:55 +0000 http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/#comment-239478 I would like to know about the rule when you are writing a formal paper and there is a date in time such as March 4th 2007. Do I have to write that out in lettering or is it okay to write the numbers for both the date and year? I would like to know about the rule when you are writing a formal paper and there is a date in time such as March 4th 2007. Do I have to write that out in lettering or is it okay to write the numbers for both the date and year?

]]> By: Marilyn http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/comment-page-3/#comment-218158 Marilyn Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:30:25 +0000 http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/#comment-218158 Sorry, the final paragraph below these ================ was what Peter said. He has completely missed the point. Sorry, the final paragraph below these
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was what Peter said. He has completely missed the point.

]]> By: Marilyn http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/comment-page-3/#comment-218157 Marilyn Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:27:59 +0000 http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/#comment-218157 I disagree with Peter, who must be across the pond "D R Brubaker and Carolyn are wrong about the “and” thing. The lack-of-and seems to be commonly taught in the US lately (I think it’s a very recent thing)" No, I'm over 65, and I have always been taught exactly what Carolyn said. No "and" is needed in expressing large whole numbers. I never thought of the "and" as a decimal, but I found others who mention that as well. Math teachers logic is different than English grammatical effect. The One Hundered and One Dalmations is not used as a counting phrase, but a descriptive title... It's literary, not mathematical science here. In a strict mathematics sense the "and" is useless and misleading when expressing numbers. You have completely missed the point about her examples: 307,000 = three hundred seven thousand (how many thousands? answer: three hundred seven) 300.007 = three hundred and seven thousandths (how many? answer: three HUNDRED AND (a little bit more) seven thousandTHs) IF YOU WANT TO SAY 307/1000 you would say Three hundred seven thousandths. OK? not any of the above. It is distinct, and it is clear. You can see how the and helps to separate the whole part from the fraction. ================ Carolyn: I’m not sure what you mean about reading the numbers aloud – they’re “three hundred point zero zero seven” and “three hundred and seven thousand”; what’s the confusion? Am I supposed to read “300.007″ as “three hundred and seven thousandths”? Even the difference between “three-hundred-and-seven thousandths” (307/1000) and “three-hundred and seven-thousandths” (300 + 7/1000) is only unclear in text (if you don’t hyphenate to clarify, as I’ve done here); it’s quite clear when spoken aloud (which is more like the hyphenated version – the timing is quite different). I disagree with Peter, who must be across the pond

“D R Brubaker and Carolyn are wrong about the “and” thing. The lack-of-and seems to be commonly taught in the US lately (I think it’s a very recent thing)”

No, I’m over 65, and I have always been taught exactly what Carolyn said. No “and” is needed in expressing large whole numbers. I never thought of the “and” as a decimal, but I found others who mention that as well.

Math teachers logic is different than English grammatical effect. The One Hundered and One Dalmations is not used as a counting phrase, but a descriptive title… It’s literary, not mathematical science here.

In a strict mathematics sense the “and” is useless and misleading when expressing numbers. You have completely missed the point about her examples:
307,000 = three hundred seven thousand
(how many thousands? answer: three hundred seven)

300.007 = three hundred and seven thousandths
(how many? answer: three HUNDRED AND (a little bit more) seven thousandTHs)

IF YOU WANT TO SAY 307/1000 you would say Three hundred seven thousandths. OK? not any of the above. It is distinct, and it is clear.

You can see how the and helps to separate the whole part from the fraction.
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Carolyn: I’m not sure what you mean about reading the numbers aloud – they’re “three hundred point zero zero seven” and “three hundred and seven thousand”; what’s the confusion? Am I supposed to read “300.007″ as “three hundred and seven thousandths”? Even the difference between “three-hundred-and-seven thousandths” (307/1000) and “three-hundred and seven-thousandths” (300 + 7/1000) is only unclear in text (if you don’t hyphenate to clarify, as I’ve done here); it’s quite clear when spoken aloud (which is more like the hyphenated version – the timing is quite different).

]]> By: Isabel http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/comment-page-3/#comment-217639 Isabel Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:08:24 +0000 http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/#comment-217639 I have always written numbers with a hyphen, such as: twenty-four and so on... but I have also seen without. Which one is correct or are both correct? I have always written numbers with a hyphen, such as: twenty-four and so on… but I have also seen without. Which one is correct or are both correct?

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